Need to Report Involuntary Commitment?

[throw-away-soon]

I was involuntarily commitment for about 40 hours. Do I need to report this?

Details (if you want to know. I am going to be intentionally vague). This is a VERY LONG story, so beware:

A therapist lied to the county about a conversation we had. She wrongly alleged I threatened to /self. It was the only line the hospital had that WAS NOT recorded.

Three days before the call, I was in that hospital’s ER to get a rx for pysch meds. My request was denied, and I was referred to a clinic I did not qualify for. The hospital assured me I would be re assigned to the correct one at the intake, I wasn’t. Instead, I was directed to a different clinic, which did not meet my needs.

I left a series or belligerent messages with the hospital during this ordeal, which started a week before the commitment. I called the hospital numerous times for outpatient referrals. The administrators kept connecting me to organizations that either didn’t have pysch’s or were over an hour away, and eventually they told me to come to the ER and I would get meds, a full evaluation, and an immediate apt with a pysch.

I go to the ER, none of that happened. The dr promised I would see a pysch within 1 week of the intake. When I went to the intake, I was told I didn’t qualify, and that, even if I did, it would take 2mths+ to see one.

At the ER, I told the dr my symptoms (suicidal, self harm, insomnia, hypomania transitioning to pyschosis- all of which were caused by a medication I was prescribed). When I was talking to the therapist on the phone, I told her exactly what I told the dr, and said my symptoms did not worsen.

She called a crisis team who came to my parents house, I told them I was fine, and asked them to leave.

In the application, they lied and said I refused to let them inside and refused to make a safety plan. If they told me I had to make one or the police would be called, I would have…I’m not that fucking crazy. The therapist also lied in the application, and claimed she asked to make a safety plan. She lied bc she is required to ask that if she suspects I’m suicidal-she did call back, but did not leave a message.

After the crisis team left, a few hours later the police showed up with a court order to get an evaluation. They were very respectful and nice, and I didn’t make a scene. They refused to let me see the petition, contest it, contact a lawyer, or explain my rights.

They forced me to go the hospital I had issues with-they offered me a job and illegally revoked it, and I am in the process of filing a lawsuit against them, and I left some vulgar messages.

When I arrived at the hospital, they refused to let me sign myself in, saying I was incompetent…yet they decided to commit me.

They refused to transfer me, which is a violation of their patient BOR. They refused to let me speak to an attorney or get a second evaluation.

I spoke to the ER dr for less than 10 minutes, and he was all “I’ve seen countless people exactly like you with exactly the same symptoms…etc;” He blatantly lied on the intake evaluation (I have copies of everything from the county). He even claimed I made statements I never did, even though he admitted he didn’t hear me say them, and that other people told him I made those statements. He refused to listen to my advocates. One of whom was my father, who was with me the entire day and could verify I never made any suicidal statements or refuse to let the crisis team in/make a safety plan.

They didn’t feed me the entire time I was there, bc I am an organic veggie (dr’s reccomendations), and didn’t let me order food or have anyone bring me food.

They put me on the same floor I interviewed on as part of a 4 hour job shadow “try out” for the first 15 hours. I shadowed one of the floor monitors.

They refused to let me contact an attorney the entire time I was there.

The dr I met the first morning promised me the social worker would contact advocates who could testify on my behalf. Multiple friends and my parents agreed to come to my hearing. I was admitted Wed night and they told me I’d have a hearing on Friday, but didn’t tell me what time or where it was located.

I ended up not seeing the social worker until an hour before the hearing, and she was supposed to talk to my advocates and then make a recomendation to the dr, who would testify.

I was told the time of the hearing less than an hour, and the hospital refused to let me notify ANYONE, meaning I wasn’t able to get people to testify.

They made me go almost an entire day without my subs.

They never put me on any meds.

I didn’t see the attorney until 30 minutes before the hearing, and he tried to walk out before listening to my account. He claimed his job was to “make sure they commit me legally,” to which I responded “aren’t you supposed to represent MY interests?”

He talked to me for several minutes. I actually was able to get a hold of my personal attorney, who said I should be discharged at the hearing, and to let him know if I was held, so he could either fight it or get me a MH attorney.

The first day I was there, I was given an unsigned notice to apply for a 303 (involuntary stay for up to 20 days). When I got my file from the co, I found out they applied for that BEFORE I was even admitted and met with my treatment team. Under the hospitals policy they are not allowed to do that before you meet your treatment team.

In the file, the dr I met the 1st day claimed I refused to voluntarily commit, then testified that I did try to do so.

The opposing attorney was a stupid bitch and sucked, and pissed off the hearing officer, who agreed to discharge me. He told me I’d meet with the dr before I left and they’d tell me what I needed to do.

I was discharged without any meds or rx, and the hospital didn’t make ANY outpatient apts for me.

Yet in my file the disposition states I need to get 20 days of outpatient treatment from that hospital.

Nobody explained to me what the hearing was, what I need to do, my rights, that I had the right to appeal w/n 20 days, and why I wasn’t allowed to have advocates.

The only thing I signed when released was a verification that I received a discharge packet.

The dr never talked to me after the hearing, and nobody at the hospital explained what I needed to do.

I am in the process of appealing the whole thing, because I DON’T want that on my record for MANY reasons. The PD lied to me and said they didn’t have to represent me if I lost the appeal and wanted to go through the expungement process. I went online to some ask a lawyer website and one idiot claimed I couldn’t get it off my record…even though I talked to the county, PD, Mental Health America, and multiple private attorneys who said I could.

I am filing charged against the petitioner next week at the magistrate, because I can have my dad testify I never made those statements, so this might get overturned.

Do I need to report this to my law school? I’m afraid they won’t let me come back…

Or should I wait to see if I win the appeal/get it expunged (the expungement hearing wouldn’t occur for several weeks).

The worst part is that the pysch hospital I was at is ranked in the top 10 nationally…

I was treated worse than an object…completely dehumanizing.

This wasn’t my first pysch hospital stay, but it was the worst, most traumatic experience of my life.

Luckily the hearing officer immediately saw that I did not need to be involuntarily committed for an additional amount of time. The dr’s did say if I was forced to stay, it would only be for a few days. I caught the other attorney in a lie at the hearing, which helped because after that the hearing officer kept rolling his eyes when the bitch lawyer spoke. She was the only one requesting me to stay…the dr was fine with outpatient and said when we met he wouldn’t request me to stay as long as I was chill.


But you can not trust the staff at those places. The whole thing was total bull shit, and hopefully I can get it off my record.

[CO2016YEAH]

I don’t know the answer. As an aside, are you sure law is the profession for you?

@throw-away-soon

I was involuntarily commitment for about 40 hours. Do I need to report this?

Details (if you want to know. I am going to be intentionally vague). This is a VERY LONG story, so beware:

A therapist lied to the county about a conversation we had. She wrongly alleged I threatened to /self. It was the only line the hospital had that WAS NOT recorded.

Three days before the call, I was in that hospital’s ER to get a rx for pysch meds. My request was denied, and I was referred to a clinic I did not qualify for. The hospital assured me I would be re assigned to the correct one at the intake, I wasn’t. Instead, I was directed to a different clinic, which did not meet my needs.

I left a series or belligerent messages with the hospital during this ordeal, which started a week before the commitment. I called the hospital numerous times for outpatient referrals. The administrators kept connecting me to organizations that either didn’t have pysch’s or were over an hour away, and eventually they told me to come to the ER and I would get meds, a full evaluation, and an immediate apt with a pysch.

I go to the ER, none of that happened. The dr promised I would see a pysch within 1 week of the intake. When I went to the intake, I was told I didn’t qualify, and that, even if I did, it would take 2mths+ to see one.

At the ER, I told the dr my symptoms (suicidal, self harm, insomnia, hypomania transitioning to pyschosis- all of which were caused by a medication I was prescribed). When I was talking to the therapist on the phone, I told her exactly what I told the dr, and said my symptoms did not worsen.

She called a crisis team who came to my parents house, I told them I was fine, and asked them to leave.

In the application, they lied and said I refused to let them inside and refused to make a safety plan. If they told me I had to make one or the police would be called, I would have…I’m not that fucking crazy. The therapist also lied in the application, and claimed she asked to make a safety plan. She lied bc she is required to ask that if she suspects I’m suicidal-she did call back, but did not leave a message.

After the crisis team left, a few hours later the police showed up with a court order to get an evaluation. They were very respectful and nice, and I didn’t make a scene. They refused to let me see the petition, contest it, contact a lawyer, or explain my rights.

They forced me to go the hospital I had issues with-they offered me a job and illegally revoked it, and I am in the process of filing a lawsuit against them, and I left some vulgar messages.

When I arrived at the hospital, they refused to let me sign myself in, saying I was incompetent…yet they decided to commit me.

They refused to transfer me, which is a violation of their patient BOR. They refused to let me speak to an attorney or get a second evaluation.

I spoke to the ER dr for less than 10 minutes, and he was all “I’ve seen countless people exactly like you with exactly the same symptoms…etc;” He blatantly lied on the intake evaluation (I have copies of everything from the county). He even claimed I made statements I never did, even though he admitted he didn’t hear me say them, and that other people told him I made those statements. He refused to listen to my advocates. One of whom was my father, who was with me the entire day and could verify I never made any suicidal statements or refuse to let the crisis team in/make a safety plan.

They didn’t feed me the entire time I was there, bc I am an organic veggie (dr’s reccomendations), and didn’t let me order food or have anyone bring me food.

They put me on the same floor I interviewed on as part of a 4 hour job shadow “try out” for the first 15 hours. I shadowed one of the floor monitors.

They refused to let me contact an attorney the entire time I was there.

The dr I met the first morning promised me the social worker would contact advocates who could testify on my behalf. Multiple friends and my parents agreed to come to my hearing. I was admitted Wed night and they told me I’d have a hearing on Friday, but didn’t tell me what time or where it was located.

I ended up not seeing the social worker until an hour before the hearing, and she was supposed to talk to my advocates and then make a recomendation to the dr, who would testify.

I was told the time of the hearing less than an hour, and the hospital refused to let me notify ANYONE, meaning I wasn’t able to get people to testify.

They made me go almost an entire day without my subs.

They never put me on any meds.

I didn’t see the attorney until 30 minutes before the hearing, and he tried to walk out before listening to my account. He claimed his job was to “make sure they commit me legally,” to which I responded “aren’t you supposed to represent MY interests?”

He talked to me for several minutes. I actually was able to get a hold of my personal attorney, who said I should be discharged at the hearing, and to let him know if I was held, so he could either fight it or get me a MH attorney.

The first day I was there, I was given an unsigned notice to apply for a 303 (involuntary stay for up to 20 days). When I got my file from the co, I found out they applied for that BEFORE I was even admitted and met with my treatment team. Under the hospitals policy they are not allowed to do that before you meet your treatment team.

In the file, the dr I met the 1st day claimed I refused to voluntarily commit, then testified that I did try to do so.

The opposing attorney was a stupid bitch and sucked, and pissed off the hearing officer, who agreed to discharge me. He told me I’d meet with the dr before I left and they’d tell me what I needed to do.

I was discharged without any meds or rx, and the hospital didn’t make ANY outpatient apts for me.

Yet in my file the disposition states I need to get 20 days of outpatient treatment from that hospital.

Nobody explained to me what the hearing was, what I need to do, my rights, that I had the right to appeal w/n 20 days, and why I wasn’t allowed to have advocates.

The only thing I signed when released was a verification that I received a discharge packet.

The dr never talked to me after the hearing, and nobody at the hospital explained what I needed to do.

I am in the process of appealing the whole thing, because I DON’T want that on my record for MANY reasons. The PD lied to me and said they didn’t have to represent me if I lost the appeal and wanted to go through the expungement process. I went online to some ask a lawyer website and one idiot claimed I couldn’t get it off my record…even though I talked to the county, PD, Mental Health America, and multiple private attorneys who said I could.

I am filing charged against the petitioner next week at the magistrate, because I can have my dad testify I never made those statements, so this might get overturned.

Do I need to report this to my law school? I’m afraid they won’t let me come back…

Or should I wait to see if I win the appeal/get it expunged (the expungement hearing wouldn’t occur for several weeks).

The worst part is that the pysch hospital I was at is ranked in the top 10 nationally…

I was treated worse than an object…completely dehumanizing.

This wasn’t my first pysch hospital stay, but it was the worst, most traumatic experience of my life.

Luckily the hearing officer immediately saw that I did not need to be involuntarily committed for an additional amount of time. The dr’s did say if I was forced to stay, it would only be for a few days. I caught the other attorney in a lie at the hearing, which helped because after that the hearing officer kept rolling his eyes when the bitch lawyer spoke. She was the only one requesting me to stay…the dr was fine with outpatient and said when we met he wouldn’t request me to stay as long as I was chill.


But you can not trust the staff at those places. The whole thing was total bull shit, and hopefully I can get it off my record.

[commoner]

i predict EPIC thread.

Seriously though no one is going to know if you were involuntarily committed. As your 0L attorney, I advise you to keep your mouth shut about this. However ask yourself this hard question (if you are indeed going to law school in the near future): Are you mentally stable enough to go through a very stressful year of law school? If not, take a break, find a psychiatrist/psychologist who is not mean and start the process of getting under control. I really do not mean to insult you and if you want contact me via PM

[CO2016YEAH]

@commoner

i predict EPIC thread.

Seriously though no one is going to know if you were involuntarily committed. As your 0L attorney, I advise you to keep your mouth shut about this. However ask yourself this hard question (if you are indeed going to law school in the near future): Are you mentally stable enough to go through a very stressful year of law school? If not, take a break, find a psychiatrist/psychologist who is not mean and start the process of getting under control. I really do not mean to insult you and if you want contact me via PM

I agree pretty much with all of this.

However, if the law school doesn’t ask about such issues and you determine there is no need to mention this you should explore what your state’s bar association will ask. Applications, I believe, typically ask c&f questions pertaining to addiction and psychological disorders such as schitophrenia(spell check) and bipolar disorder, which could stand to affect the individual’s perceptions of reality.

There’s really no pleasant or completely inoffensive was to say what I’m about to, and I’m not a doctor so forgive me if I’m off base, but your depiction of your actions and the circumstance in the story above does not really come across exuding the type of reason and balanced state necessary to clear these benchmarks.

I don’t want to send you into a depressive state, but I really think it might be in your best interest to explore other, potentially more stress free professions. One of my reasons, and not the least of which, is due to the fact you may have a difficult time passing c&f when it comes time to get admitted to the bar.

Good luck, OP.

[commoner]

@CO2016YEAH

@commoner

i predict EPIC thread.

Seriously though no one is going to know if you were involuntarily committed. As your 0L attorney, I advise you to keep your mouth shut about this. However ask yourself this hard question (if you are indeed going to law school in the near future): Are you mentally stable enough to go through a very stressful year of law school? If not, take a break, find a psychiatrist/psychologist who is not mean and start the process of getting under control. I really do not mean to insult you and if you want contact me via PM

I agree pretty much with all of this.

However, if the law school doesn’t ask about such issues and you determine there is no need to mention this you should explore what your state’s bar association will ask. Applications, I believe, typically ask c&f questions pertaining to addiction and psychological disorders such as schitophrenia(spell check) and bipolar disorder, which could stand to affect the individual’s perceptions of reality.

There’s really no pleasant or completely inoffensive was to say what I’m about to, and I’m not a doctor so forgive me if I’m off base, but your depiction of your actions and the circumstance in the story above does not really come across exuding the type of reason and balanced state necessary to clear these benchmarks.

I don’t want to send you into a depressive state, but I really think it might be in your best interest to explore other, potentially more stress free professions. One of my reasons, and not the least of which, is due to the fact you may have a difficult time passing c&f when it comes time to get admitted to the bar.

Good luck, OP.

I must disagree with the above partially. How the hell would a bar association know if someone is bipolar or schizophrenic?

Also, I do not think that advising someone with a disability not to go into a profession is nice or wise. I believe there is a Nobel prize winner who is schizophrenic, and if you read Steve Jobs’ bio it is pretty clear that he had some serious issues when he was younger. His employer could not keep him around the other employees as he refused to shower.

After rereading the OP’s post it seems that a break is in order as he/she is having all kinds of severe mental disorders but that does not mean that eventually OP cannot become a lawyer or whatever he/she wants to do.

[jump_man]

You do not need to report it, nor should you.

[CO2016YEAH]

@commoner

@CO2016YEAH

@commoner

i predict EPIC thread.

Seriously though no one is going to know if you were involuntarily committed. As your 0L attorney, I advise you to keep your mouth shut about this. However ask yourself this hard question (if you are indeed going to law school in the near future): Are you mentally stable enough to go through a very stressful year of law school? If not, take a break, find a psychiatrist/psychologist who is not mean and start the process of getting under control. I really do not mean to insult you and if you want contact me via PM

I agree pretty much with all of this.

However, if the law school doesn’t ask about such issues and you determine there is no need to mention this you should explore what your state’s bar association will ask. Applications, I believe, typically ask c&f questions pertaining to addiction and psychological disorders such as schitophrenia(spell check) and bipolar disorder, which could stand to affect the individual’s perceptions of reality.

There’s really no pleasant or completely inoffensive was to say what I’m about to, and I’m not a doctor so forgive me if I’m off base, but your depiction of your actions and the circumstance in the story above does not really come across exuding the type of reason and balanced state necessary to clear these benchmarks.

I don’t want to send you into a depressive state, but I really think it might be in your best interest to explore other, potentially more stress free professions. One of my reasons, and not the least of which, is due to the fact you may have a difficult time passing c&f when it comes time to get admitted to the bar.

Good luck, OP.

I must disagree with the above partially. How the hell would a bar association know if someone is bipolar or schizophrenic?

Also, I do not think that advising someone with a disability not to go into a profession is nice or wise. I believe there is a Nobel prize winner who is schizophrenic, and if you read Steve Jobs’ bio it is pretty clear that he had some serious issues when he was younger. His employer could not keep him around the other employees as he refused to shower.

After rereading the OP’s post it seems that a break is in order as he/she is having all kinds of severe mental disorders but that does not mean that eventually OP cannot become a lawyer or whatever he/she wants to do.

I don’t know how they’ll know, but I’m relatively sure they will ask. If there has been a diagnosis I don’t think it would be wise to conceal it if the bar does indeed ask.

Also, I didn’t outright tell OP to forget law, but I did suggest OP look into whether he/she will be able to clear c&f, as well as to consider if law is actually the best profession for he/she. I stand by all of this. It would be a shame to finish law schook only to be denied on c&f grounds. Even of there are issues OP may be able to gain admission; the advice is to proceed as informed as possible and with introspection.

[throw-away-soon]

The issue was CAUSED by the medications I was on.

What happened was this nurse practicioner prescribed me medications and didn’t tell me the side effects included suicidal thoughts and insomnia. I called her multiple times about all of this, and she didn’t return my calls.

I found out after looking the medications up online that the suicidal thoughts were a relatively common side effect, so I stopped taking it. The feelings didn’t just stop, but they wouldn’t have occurred if not for the medications.

After reading about it, I found out I shouldn’t have been prescribed it to begin with, and the nurse pract. didn’t ask me all of the proper screening questions. She was mad because I was taking longer than 15mins, and she scheduled someone 15mins after my appointment. So she just handed me the rx and told me to call her if there were issues.

I am asking for you guys to PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL. I have gone through a seriously traumatic, dehumanizing experience that most of you haven’t been through. I wouldn’t wish a 302 on anyone. It’s terrifying because you’re stripped of your rights, and even if you report the hospital, people tend not to believe you because you’re labeled as crazy.

Basically if you raise issues, they’ll say things like you aren’t in touch with reality or you’re incapable of comprehending what’s going on.

I mean you can’t have shoes with laces on it, hoodies with strings, a toothbrush, etc;

They treat you terribly, and you honestly don’t really get any treatment. The only group they actually had? Fucking music therapy…

I didn’t see a counselor/therapist/pyschologist the entire time I was there, and wasn’t put on any meds.

YES, I am sure I want to be a lawyer. Law clicks with me, and the Dean at my law school told me all of my Prof’s were very impressed with me when I was in school, and that I had a “bright” future, and they really wanted me to come back.

Yes, I have a serious mood disorder, but plenty of very successful people have the same problems. And I’m not stupid. I had a procterred IQ test in grade school and tested over the 95th percentile, and I’m only saying that because people always assume people in my situation are stupid, and or call me things like retarded because of my situation.

it really hurts when people are trying to convince you you’re crazy and telling you you’re lying when you KNOW what you said and did, and NOBODY with any power believes you.

For anyone that wants to make a hateful, spiteful comment, I gaurentee one day you or someone you love/care about will go through a mental health crisis, and you’re perspective will change when you see how they’re treated.

So please don’t harass me or make me feel any worse or more embarassed about what happened. I had to deal with a crisis team showing up at my parents house, and then two cop cars pulling up and handcuffing me in front of my father over a fabricated accusation.

[throw-away-soon]

@CO2016YEAH

@commoner

@CO2016YEAH

@commoner

i predict EPIC thread.

Seriously though no one is going to know if you were involuntarily committed. As your 0L attorney, I advise you to keep your mouth shut about this. However ask yourself this hard question (if you are indeed going to law school in the near future): Are you mentally stable enough to go through a very stressful year of law school? If not, take a break, find a psychiatrist/psychologist who is not mean and start the process of getting under control. I really do not mean to insult you and if you want contact me via PM

I agree pretty much with all of this.

However, if the law school doesn’t ask about such issues and you determine there is no need to mention this you should explore what your state’s bar association will ask. Applications, I believe, typically ask c&f questions pertaining to addiction and psychological disorders such as schitophrenia(spell check) and bipolar disorder, which could stand to affect the individual’s perceptions of reality.

There’s really no pleasant or completely inoffensive was to say what I’m about to, and I’m not a doctor so forgive me if I’m off base, but your depiction of your actions and the circumstance in the story above does not really come across exuding the type of reason and balanced state necessary to clear these benchmarks.

I don’t want to send you into a depressive state, but I really think it might be in your best interest to explore other, potentially more stress free professions. One of my reasons, and not the least of which, is due to the fact you may have a difficult time passing c&f when it comes time to get admitted to the bar.

Good luck, OP.

I must disagree with the above partially. How the hell would a bar association know if someone is bipolar or schizophrenic?

Also, I do not think that advising someone with a disability not to go into a profession is nice or wise. I believe there is a Nobel prize winner who is schizophrenic, and if you read Steve Jobs’ bio it is pretty clear that he had some serious issues when he was younger. His employer could not keep him around the other employees as he refused to shower.

After rereading the OP’s post it seems that a break is in order as he/she is having all kinds of severe mental disorders but that does not mean that eventually OP cannot become a lawyer or whatever he/she wants to do.

I don’t know how they’ll know, but I’m relatively sure they will ask. If there has been a diagnosis I don’t think it would be wise to conceal it if the bar does indeed ask.

Also, I didn’t outright tell OP to forget law, but I did suggest OP look into whether he/she will be able to clear c&f, as well as to consider if law is actually the best profession for he/she. I stand by all of this. It would be a shame to finish law schook only to be denied on c&f grounds. Even of there are issues OP may be able to gain admission; the advice is to proceed as informed as possible and with introspection.

I talked to a C&F lawyer before the 302 and he said I’d pass as long as there aren’t any more legal issues. He offered to do everything pro bono. Every one of his 200 clients have passed the bar.

The law school dean agreed, and offered to testify on my behalf at the C&F hearing.

Bipolar disorder “peaks” in the early and mid 20s, so basically this is most likely the worst my MH problems will be, especially since I’m barely even drink now. I’m trying to get TMS treatment, which is currently the most effective and least harmful treatment for depression, anxiety, and mood disorders. You get it 5 days a week for 4-6 weeks 1-2 times a year. My insurance will actually cover it. As long as I get accepted to the TMS program, I will likely (80%) be symptom free for 6 months starting in July. I can then get TMS over winter break, so it wouldn’t interfer with school.

I don’t plan on returning to school until I feel like I can manage things. Law school is a $40,000 investment for me (all 3 years), so I want to make sure I am in a good situation before I return. I got over the addiction part, which will make the MH bit so much easier to deal with.

[NYstate]

OP I don’t think you need to report this. But find out from an expert. Your state bar association may have some advice for you.

The bar wants people who need help to get help.

[throw-away-soon]

@NYstate

OP I don’t think you need to report this. But find out from an expert. Your state bar association may have some advice for you.

The bar wants people who need help to get help.

Thanks

[glebe]

@throw-away-soon

it really hurts when people are trying to convince you you’re crazy and telling you you’re lying when you KNOW what you said and did, and NOBODY with any power believes you.

I hope you are feeling better.

Once upon a time, I was standing on a subway platform when a rugged-looking homeless man approached me and started talking. My headphones were in and my music was playing, so I didn’t hear the first few things he said. I had already had two other panhandlers come up to me earlier in the week, so I unplugged my ears and instantly said “sorry man, I don’t have anything”. A look of frustration spread across his face, and through his rotting teeth he sourly remarked that he wasn’t asking for anything, and walked away. I was puzzled and a little embarrassed. To this day, I still wonder what he approached me for.

The point of my story is that it’s not that we all think you’re lying, it’s that 98% of mentally disturbed people say the same thing. If you want people to think you’re crazy, then go on long-winded rants about how your therapist was out to get you, and lied to get you involuntarily committed. (Again, I’m not calling you a liar). If you want people to think you’re a sane individual, then shrug off the incident as a fit of exhaustion caused by a bad reaction to new medication.

Please don’t interpret this as my judgement of you, for I speak (partially) from experience. I have a misdemeanor on my criminal record, and I have found that playing the victim is often the cause of much eye-rolling.

I’m not proffering legal advice here, just suggesting that you face this incident with a different attitude.

[Lumieres]

Just curious: which law school do you attend?

[throw-away-soon]

Won the appeal, so now I have to file for an “expungement” of the original commitment.

I lucked out at the hearing. The judge teaches at the law school I’m attending, the PD was the same one who did my preliminary hearing in January, and the “prosecuter” withdrew the petition after maybe 5 minutes. They all basically told me how to get the commitment off my record and that I had a “better” reason to get it off my record because I’m not doing it just to get a gun.

Luckily the county I live in is very treatment oriented, so honestly the judges and lawyers I have dealt with are much nicer and much more helpful than 90% of the doctor’s I’ve dealt with.

[throw-away-soon]

@glebe

@throw-away-soon

it really hurts when people are trying to convince you you’re crazy and telling you you’re lying when you KNOW what you said and did, and NOBODY with any power believes you.

I hope you are feeling better.

Once upon a time, I was standing on a subway platform when a rugged-looking homeless man approached me and started talking. My headphones were in and my music was playing, so I didn’t hear the first few things he said. I had already had two other panhandlers come up to me earlier in the week, so I unplugged my ears and instantly said “sorry man, I don’t have anything”. A look of frustration spread across his face, and through his rotting teeth he sourly remarked that he wasn’t asking for anything, and walked away. I was puzzled and a little embarrassed. To this day, I still wonder what he approached me for.

The point of my story is that it’s not that we all think you’re lying, it’s that 98% of mentally disturbed people say the same thing. If you want people to think you’re crazy, then go on long-winded rants about how your therapist was out to get you, and lied to get you involuntarily committed. (Again, I’m not calling you a liar). If you want people to think you’re a sane individual, then shrug off the incident as a fit of exhaustion caused by a bad reaction to new medication.

Please don’t interpret this as my judgement of you, for I speak (partially) from experience. I have a misdemeanor on my criminal record, and I have found that playing the victim is often the cause of much eye-rolling.

I’m not proffering legal advice here, just suggesting that you face this incident with a different attitude.

Yes, I have issues, but I am not close to what stereotypical mental health inpatient people are like (incoherent, voices). The woman whose hearing was before me was walking like Frankenstien-her arms were fully extended and she was wobbling side to side, so compared to those people, judges and lawyers don’t think I’m insane. And they all have believed my story. The law school scholarship to the best school in my city helps, as dose some of my WE. They basically assume I’m intelligent because of the things I’ve done and the schools I’ve gone to, grades I received. And I’m a white female, so that helps a lot.

It’s benefited me that my case was actually overseen by the county and legal people, because they were able to see through that therapist’s story. She didn’t even show up to the appeal. Every legal person I dealt with on this situation has believed me, including judges, defense attorney’s, and the last prosecutor. I mean they withdrew the last petition within 5 minutes, so they clearly saw something was off.


If I win the “expungement” on the grounds that it was an improper commitment, the judge said I likely wouldn’t have to pay. Otherwise I will have to go civil.

[bearsfan23]

I don’t understand what your question is. What would you need to report to your law school? It doesn’t sound like you were arrested, and there’s no law that I know of against getting medical treatment.

[North]

[JDndMSW]

@bearsfan23

I don’t understand what your question is. What would you need to report to your law school? It doesn’t sound like you were arrested, and there’s no law that I know of against getting medical treatment.

I think because it can effect her chances about being admitted to the bar. Also she is on medical leave due to her mental illness that she said contributed to her being arrested for drug charges. Idk I know this is real but it sounds like a damn movie.

[Honikane]

So, contrary to popular belief, if the state than you plan to apply to the bar in has a question concerning this type of medical treatment on their bar application, you must disclose it, even if it was/will be expunged. If it is asked on your law school app, you also must disclose it there cuz these suckers cross check EVERYTHING! More than likely they will just ask for an explanation and you should be fine. I just wouldn’t take the chance of not telling them and then being denied bar admission after all that hard work.

[suzige]

OP, your story is heartbreaking. I really feel for you bc I’ve seen first hand the incompetencies of doctors and other medical professionals when I was accompanying a relative who had a chronic health conditon in and out of the hospital. Only you and your family can be your best advocates…and that sucks when you are literally and figuratively helpless with lack of knowledge and rights.

At first blush, I wouldn’t think you’d have to report this to ur school bc its not criminal. And I would be highly doubtful tht they would even attempt to pry into your medical records because of HIPAA laws. Same with the bar. Id double check c&f with your lawyer, but id be really surprised if they held this against you. I wouldn’t say anything, if at all, until you have this all straightened out with the courts. I’m not an attorney and I don’t hav knowledge abt this first hand, so please do consult an attorney as you go thru this. Id also reach out to advocate groups and see what resources they can provide you.

First and foremost, please do take care of yourself. I hope that w time u can put this nightmare experience behind you. Keep us updated if you can. Hope it all ends well.