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With WE, ED NU; if that fails, ED GULC PT.
Note: NU ED now comes with an almost full tuition scholly, so if you want NU you should RD (assuming they continue this practice in the next cycle, which is not necessarily the case). Other than that, I agree with Grizz. Also look at WUSTL, UMN, UIUC, and UIB.
Splitter ED NU is not a thing anymore? Noted.
Yup, for this cycle at least an ED acceptance = $150K scholarship which means they’ll be targeting people well above both medians for ED acceptances.
Awesome, this is the kind of point in the right direction I was looking for. Thanks to both of you.
CA schools are pretty much out with a 2.3. See lawschoolnumbers.com
Glad we could help! I see you’ve made an LSN account (love your name by the way, hahaha). You might also consider applying to UVa ED if you’re interested. The chances of getting in are pretty low with a 2.3, but it’s worth a shot. UVa and GULC both don’t have an ED deadline, so technically you could ED UVA, hear back in 15 days (their max wait time for ED), and then apply to GULC ED if you get rejected from UVA ED.
That’s gold… thanks again. I actually have a relative who works or recently has worked for UVa. Likely that would mean nothing though, I realize.
Re: the name, I always wonder if people think I’m some sort of DJ who “spins rap” or that it’s just parsnips backwards. It’s the latter, I’m just vegan and it’s arbitrary, hah.
Even Santa Clara? Or is it really the case that at that point I should just strictly look higher in the rankings?
Yeah… your job prospects from NU or UVA will be dramatically better. If you think you might want to attend UVA, I would consider applying ED there. You are below their reputed GPA floor, but with WE + HYP you might be the rare exception.
I see bloomington Indiana in your future.
Hey, it’s not Gary.
Anyone think he should retake if he really studies? Is there a number where a 2.3 is less of a problem? How much of a boost will Princeton give him?
OP: you sound like you have a lot of life experience but you also sound like you are all over the place. Why do you want to go to law school now? If you do apply, I would make sure you sound more together and focused. Right now, the way this is written, you sound like a person who may go for a semester or a year, and then something else will come up, or you will get bored.
And I think you need a better story for why your grades at Princeton were so bad. To be honest, to me what you have written sounds like a laundry list of excuses. It sounds like you weren’t ready to grow up, so you intentionally sabotaged yourself at one of the best schools in the country. And, even when you went back you still didn’t do a great job. I would address your UG career very simply in an addendum - don’t go through the whole story like you did here.
I hope that the time distance from undergrad helps you. Good luck!
Hey, thanks for the reply! I provided the “whole story” detail here just to err on the side of not having a bunch of qualifying answers that I needed to address in response to people willing to advise. I certainly don’t want to sound like I’m giving excuses, but for better or worse (better at the time, worse now that I’m going to go back to school) I simply traded more time at Princeton, which I very much valued, for a huge GPA hit.
I was trying to avoid taking up a bunch of space here with my softs, or the “no really, I do want to go to LS”, but I will be going and I will be one of the stronger performers at school (especially since this GPA will knock me into less competitive places - I’m not trying to sound over-confident, just trying to give a candid account of things. Potential and motivation is not an issue, but that’s going to be difficult to 100% convince someone of until I’m back in school.) My references and WE will show that I’m very consistent, driven, and capable. I’ve also held a number of strong jobs since, and been promoted within a year of each hire/promotion. I realize I’ve got to work in a strong PS and addendum to overcome the concerns that you voice, but that’s why I’m gathering some help here. If it would help to take a year program in a related field to show that I can get A’s, I’m certainly up for it, but it seems like a very roundabout way to get where I really want to be.
I’ve thought about not mentioning the withdrawal at all, but I’m pretty sure that my withdrawal technically counts as something like academic probation that I’m told to address on applications.
Again, this is really helpful, b/c it’s important that I DON’T sound like I’m giving a laundry list of excuses, but rather that this appear as an explanation of a choice that I made in order to study at a top school for another 6 months.
Thanks again!
Retaking is worthless. NU is your best shot at something worthwhile. UVA/GULC are huge longshots but are worth taking. No CA school worth going to would accept you. Outside of that you should aim for schools that tend to give splitters money such as WUSTL/UIUC/IUB/etc. All in all, apply very broadly since a 2.3 is going to sink you at most places and will make your cycle insanely hard to predict (Princeton might bump you a bit). I’d actually hazard that you might not actually get accepted to any law school worth going to for a reasonable price. If that happens I’d honestly consider doing something else.
Stuck around campus, wrote my papers and finished my classwork, but made sure that all my teachers failed me and didn’t turn in my thesis. Took 7 classes worth of Fs, but was happily “forced” to return for another semester.
Yikes! I admire your determination.
Hmm… thanks, that’s helpful. I’m definitely going to law school, so it may be the case that I have to retool, improve my case, and wait for next cycle. It really wouldn’t matter if I retook and got a >177 or something?
Also, I’m new to this forum, but are T2 schools really that unacceptable? There’s no such thing as working your ass off at a 50th or 60th ranked school to get a fulfilling job? I understand that I’m not going to be having firms throw money at me when I near graduation, but that’s not the motivation here. It’s entering a field that I’m far more suited to than the one I’m currently in and providing useful services in said field to people who could use them.
Lewis and Clark, for example, has a killer Animal Law program (I realize most posters here could care less about the program, and that’s fine). When I heard the dean speak a few years back, he was glowing about a huge donation they had just received specifically for AL. Is it really the case that at a place like L&C, it’s just “not top tier”. I find that hard to believe/stomach… hah.
Anyhow, amazing and helpful, cheers!
Dude - totally epic. Failing your last semester… just so you can hang around.
NU is the answer. Corsair got in there with similar numbers. Your work experience and age will be key. Best of luck to you, brochacho.
Hah! Well… if by “hang around” you mean with the faculty there and that library, then yes. I lived about a two mile walk from campus for my final semester when I went back. The majority of the Princeton Undergrad student body and their collective personality was certainly NOT worth hanging around.
Thanks!
What do you mean you want to do “animal law”